7 saum vs 28 nosler

8.7 twist 5R and 180 JLKs couldnt consistently make it to 100 past 3Kfps. Barrel life is always a concern with maximum velocity, so-called overbore cartridges. The shot prior a half grain less powder had minimal pressure signs. I wouldn't do either in a 24" , I would definitely go 26" at a minimum. While the 7 Rem Mag has been built on everything from 1:8 twist to 1:10, most spin 1:9. Given the same basic form and muzzle velocity (MV), a 180-grain, .284 bullet will fly flatter, drift less, and retain more energy downrange than a 180-grain .308 bullet . However I am still using H4831, and I bet with VV N 570 or RL26 I could pass those speeds easily. If you reload ,other than initial brass price, the cost is nearly identical. performance without stepping up to a full magnum length cartridge and rifle action was Noslers goal. As you might guess, there isnt much trajectory/performance difference between the RUM and the Nosler. Just have the barrel throated so you can load those big pills way out there, to make room for more powder. Three quid k shots can overheat a thin barrel and turn a 1 MOA rifle into a 2 MOA. SAUM shows that 56.0 grains of IMR 4350 powder will drive their 140 grain bullets to a MV of 2943 fps, and 60.0 grains of IMR 4350 is good for a MV of 3146 fps. Straight on shot into chest between the legs at about 50 yds. Want to do 24-26 barrel. In 2001 Remington looked to the old .404 Jeffery case for its ultra-speedy 7mm. I'm the same as you. Creedmoor Sports $ 86.95 . Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. You are using an out of date browser. Retained mass helps maintain momentum. I dont reload but i see this statement a lot. You see a 7mag throated with 250 freebore and adg brass can do all of this. Lets compare three cartridges that do that; the old 7mm Rem. Been looking for a while. If you want 7mm magnum performance, youll have to change tires (barrels) now and then. Som en stor omfattende nettbutikk er hjemsol forpliktet til hjelpe deg med skape et stt liv med vre utskte produkter. The 404 Jeffery sired the majority of Nosler's cartridge line, namely the 30 Nosler, 26 Nosler, and 33 Nosler as well as other cartridges like the 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum (SAUM). Pros, cons of both and reasons why. Buy Now. My thinking was that good ol' 7mm RM. I did shoot a black bear years ago with a 140gr Sierra, ugly. If barrel quality is equally consistent, run-of-the-mill accuracy should exceed that of most rifles chambered for older 7mm cartridges. at the muzzle. As for the 7 Rem Mag vs. the 7 PRC, the trajectory data indicates there is no appreciable difference out to 400 yards and not a heck of a lot more at 500 yards, so most hunters wont realize a major advantage with the PRC version. ADG 28 Nosler. The Nosler Reloading Guide 9 lists a 175-gr. Im using Winchester brass, and it's showing no signs of wear after 8 or 9 reloads. 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Abonner p vrt nyhetsbrev og bli den frste som fr vite om kuponger og spesielle kampanjer. You are using an out of date browser. A .208 AI would be about the same as the .284 Win loaded right. Metallic Reloading Rifle Brass Rifle Brass Rifle brass is made for almost every conceivable cartridge, from 223 brass and 308 brass to older offerings like 30-40 Krag brass and even one of the newest, 6.5 Creedmoor brass. You can drive 10 mph and get thousands and thousands more miles out of your tires, but wouldnt you rather drive highway speed? We are now conversant in 6mm, 6.5mm, 7.62mm and especially 7mm. The belt has never been an issue for me. In 1962 the 7mm Rem. The 28 Nosler has a muzzle energy of 3470 ft-lbs, and the 30 Nosler has muzzle energy at 3639 ft-lbs. Clear winner. Assuming that would be as illogical as assuming the 30-06 Springfield, 308 Winchester, and 223 Remington are strictly military cartridges. We ain't raisen no yuppy girls! It had impressed its power upon our troops in Cuba under fire from Spanish Mausers in 1898. Trustpilot. Ive got the same dilemma. Recoil of a 9# Rem. Less well known in the U.S. (but more ballistically advanced) was the 7mm Weatherby Magnum from the early 1940s. Mid-size 7mm cartridges like 7x57 Mauser, 7mm-08 Rem., 284 Win., and 280 Rem. Dies, brass etc are way easier to find for the PRC. This is not a rifle you want to weave through dog-hair timber. In older reloading books for the 7 rum is its hauling a$$ compared current data. Trustpilot. Another indicates 74-grains of Hodgdon 870 will churn up 2,954 fps. ADG 7mm Rem Mag Brass. It's often put head-to-head with other popular calibers like the 7mm Rem. His bolt-action rifle was chambered for the confusing .275 Rigby. Furthest down, around the primer pocket, the brass should be firm. rifles. and exactly the same claim is made for the 7mm WSM. A 24" nosler should still outrun a 24" rem mag (all other things equal). ADG 28 Nosler. I set my dies to headspace off the shoulder and forget about the belt. Anyone looking for really good dies call Whiddon and have them made. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Just to add another fly in the ointment, but another 7mm to consider, is the 7mm Blaser Mag. Reloading the 28 is also not inexpensive. And heres the same 175-gr. For Connaught we moved to 7mm SAUMs and in preparation of going to that FCWC I got . ELD-Match zeroed for MPBR on a 6-inch target zone. Brass 1 - 12 of 73 Products Sort By Position 220 Swift Premium Brass (50ct) $108.95 6.5mm PRC Bulk Unprepped Brass (100ct) Out of stock $135.49 6.5mm PRC Premium Brass (50ct) Out of stock $118.95 27 Nosler Premium Brass (25ct) I have a variety of options on this, as I am planning to do this on a DTA, for which I have both .535 and .585 bolts, and the DTA mags are pretty generous in regard to OAL. 7mm Rem. ADG 300 PRC Brass. Ron Spomer The 7mm advantage comes from relatively high BC (ballistic coefficient) bullets in popular weights commonly used for hunting horned and antlered game. Mag. Once you get some freebore to seat the long, heavy bullets out, it really shines. All Rights Reserved. Thanks. The maximum load for that bullet is 61.5 grains of H4350 powder, which yields a MV of 3133 fps at a chamber pressure of 61,900 psi. If you want a shorter barrel, look into the 7 SAUM, 7 RM and even the 7-08 , they'll all get it done nicely. Buy Now. I did 7remmag. The additional reach is tempting, but Id pay the price with a 26-inch, fairly heavy barrel. Mag. With a 28" I got 2950~2975 with a 195 and 3150 with a 180. Were I seeking the absolute top-end, extreme-range performance and willing to carry a 28 inches of barrel, Id look harder at the RUM. without laser assistance. These claims are valid if the short magnum cartridges are fired in 24 inch barrels, the same length as the barrels of most 7mm Rem. Not to concerned about the barrel life, you cant expect Ferrari performance and get Prius fuel mileage haha theres always a trade off, I think a mild load in a 28 might be the best of both worlds. I'm pushing the 175 eldx at 3005 fps, with excellent case life (10+ reloads). To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. Mag., 7mm RUM, 28 Nosler,) you dont need a 7 PRC. Its likely to be as popular in the 21st century as the Rem Mag was in the 20th. These drawings will be incorporated during the next revision of the relevant SAAMI Standard. You must log in or register to reply here. You are using an out of date browser. . Some are claiming as little as 600-round barrel life for RUM, 1,000 rounds for .28 Nosler, 2,000 for Rem. I can't tell you how many cartridge choices I've settled on, only to change my mind again and again. The 180's will work with a 9 nit the bigger bullets will have a decided edge in the wind. Mag. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Mag. 7 RUM Choose an option 6.5 PRC 6.5 SAUM 7 SAUM 7 REM MAG 7 RUM 28 NOSLER 300 WIN MAG 300 NORMA MAG 300 PRC 300 RUM 30 NOSLER 338 LAPUA 338 RUM 338 EDGE 300 WSM 375 RUM 7 REM MAG BRIGHT 338 RUM BRIGHT 30 NOSLER BRIGHT. Im going to run the 7 Saum Im thinking. ADG makes 28 nosler brass for a great option. Everyone who knows what they're doing headspaces off of the shoulder anyways, and you should not be doing load development with virgin cases, you want to fire form them first so the belt is a moot point. JavaScript is disabled. My conclusion: if you already own any 7mm magnum for hunting, (7mm WSM, 7mm SAUM, 7mm RM, 7mm LRM, 7mm STW, 7mm Wby. It does have a dark side, though. Versitile and with the right twist rate can really launch some High BC pills out there. This rings home with me. HOWEVER, I don't follow the logic of having to use a 26" barrel if you go the Nosler route. Specifically, the larger diameter .284 bullets used by those 7mm cartridges have about 5% more frontal surface area (also known as cross sectional area) than the .277 bullets used by the 6.8 Western (.0633 vs .0603 square inches). Why not back the 28 off and run h1000 or retumbo and cruise along at the same velocity? If you compare Nosler .280 AI brass vs. Nosler 7SAUM brass, you get twice the cases (50) with the .280 AI for only $10 more than what it costs for 25 cases of 7mm SAUM. Great extraction and wide nodes with many powders. I tested the 7 STW, 7 RUM, 7 Rem mag, 7-300 win mag and even a 7 Lapua. Although, the 28 Nosler is an awesome cartridge. Supporter. 28 Nosler brass can be a pain to find, same goes for the ammo. Qty: Add to cart. ELD-Match, Noslers 185-gr. ELD-Match ammo I shot at FTW was rated 2,975 fps on the box. $120.95. Hornady 7mm PRC overall length matches that of the 30-06 and 270 Win., so it fits standard length actions. Meanwhile, over in Africa a Scottish commercial ivory hunter named Bell was making the little 7x57mm famous as a BIG big game round by dropping some 800 elephants with it. The most common comparison is 28 Nosler vs 300 Win Mag, because they're both popular in North America and are kissing cousins as far as bullet diameter goes. Just FYI before going 7-330NM, check out Long Range Hunting, there is a real long thread on there about the 28 Nosler with the 195 Bergers, just google it. Crap I don't remember, I'd have to pull a bullet, I've ran H1000, Retumbo and lots of R33, that load was H1000 but I only have the speed in AB. The best part is that the recoil is super easy compared to a 300. I wish there was more 7SAUM options, I feel there's a gap in the market. Qty: Add to cart . One of the draws to the 7 SAUM is the availability of high-quality brass through companies like Norma and ADG. The U.S.A. hasnt fully adopted the metric system, but our shooters and hunters have. Brass is not going anywhere as a handloaders cartridge. Indeed, over the years my 7mms have handled this stuff. Does a great job on Elk or pig. Mag. Unless you are shooting the 180's at long range, the 7 Rem is enough gun. Newer calibers tend to fade quickly these days. $120.95. A bigger concern might be barrel heating and subsequent wandering. Thin barrels tend to distort slightly with heat, opening up groups. The 28 Nosler is also loaded to a slightly higher pressure than the 300 Win Mag (65,000psi vs 64,000psi). Mag. Many find them, like the 280ai, to be a great compromise between ballistics and recoil. Instead they seem to be shooting for the ideal balance among MV, tolerable recoil, wind deflection, and precision accuracy. Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 280 Remington Ackley Improved 40-Degree Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Mag Box N N2TRKYS Well-Known Member Joined Mine is a 26" 1-9 twist non saami 280 ackley. bullet have what it takes for hunting anything short of dangerous game. I think the 7saum is here to stay. The 7mm Remington Mag generates significant recoil of 22.15 ft-lbs at 13.32 fps. The first question you have to ask when designing a new cartridge is, "WHY?" The 7LRM (Long Range Magnum) is a non-belted case that has the same overall length as the 7mm Rem Mag with a standard magnum case head. ADG 6.5 SAUM Brass. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. Moose by the dozens have fallen to the 7mm Rem. ADG 30 Nosler Brass. And more recoil. Links to technical data and drawings for the newly SAAMI accepted Cartridge and Chamber designs not yet included in SAAMI Standards are listed below. Just picked up a tikka for a donor build for a lightweight 6.5 PRC or 7mm SAUM. I think if I was buying a hunting rifle, and just wanted to keep a few high quality boxes of factory ammo around, the I would go 7Rm. Mag. During processing the large, soft grains are broken down into smaller ones, which makes for a harder material. Winchester claims a muzzle velocity (MV) of 3,225 fps with a 140 grain bullet for their 7mm WSM cartridge; the claimed muzzle energy (ME) is 3,233 ft. lbs. Recoil with a brake should be not bad at all even with the light rifle. FWIW, the LRM setup that I have on the way was ordered with 16x-class projectiles in mind. The 280AI is a great cartridge, as is the plain old 280 Remington. Now lets compare this to our other two 7mm candidates. Good luck in your search, hope youll be as happy as I am with my results. Elk, moose, kudu and similar large . I have both chambered up on the same rifle, the 28 is about cooked so spun up a 7 MAX and maybe in a month I'll get time to pull the trigger more on it, fire forming and case prep amounts to chamfer, add primer, powder and bullet to ADG 7 MAX brass and pull the trigger. 180-gr. You are using an out of date browser. I'm not too familiar with the 7LRM, but I'm having a 28 Nosler built for hunting. Barrels are like truck tires. With RL26 I stuck a case in the chamber @ 3150fps. ADG 7mm Rem Ultra Mag Brass. I didnt have any problems finding reloading supplies. | &mm PRC. Im sure Remington engineers started with the .300 H&H case, but it was itself a modification of the .375, so same difference. Thats fast enough to handle most 175-gr. $ 87.00 - $ 145.00. Clearly Hornady wasnt trying to break any speed records with the 7 PRC. . I'd opt for the 7RM. 7 saum and 7 rem mag seem like good compromises. They sharpened the shoulder angle. 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