And I saw this at Harvest Bible chapel when I was doing reporting there. Like so many of you, I love Pete. At that age, I had never had someone in spiritual authority lie or manipulate me. I have plenty of authentic friends just not at church. Hmm. The priests who cross the street, right? This is the kind of thing that you would expect from someone whos cruel and not in relationship with Jesus. And I still havent been able to get her to visit with me. But youre right. It is simply to feed ourselves. Now, I coach pastors and business leaders in communications and self-care. Hes like, I wasnt trying to protect the man, who by chance was his brother in law. WebPete Briscoe, Stuart and Jills youngest son, was a key contributor to the ministrys teaching team from 2003 to 2021. Heres my belief, Julie, I think the church at large, the big leaders in evangelicalism, we can name names if we want to, and Im sure that people have names on their mind when theyre hearing this, Why were they silent? Hes also the chairman of the elder board and his own church, Bent Tree Fellowship. Now, I coach pastors and business leaders in communications and self-care. Now youre a lawyer. For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema.. Yeah, right. Why didnt others support them? I think thats dangerous. Glad that Jesus is still our anchor! He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. And some of it also involved a culture that was willing to cover for wrongdoing. And to do that, we must avoid falling into the trap of our Christian beliefs being pitted against culture in the public sphere of debate. Yep, thats rooted in pride. Nobody has said they had intercourse with Bill. In our church, we have a no tolerance policy. In the early 2000s, as Stuart and Jill transitioned into minister-at-large roles and spent more time traveling to serve the global church, an additional voice was added in order to bless the supporters ofTelling the Truth. Boy, and if more churches did that, how much pain and heartache among the sheep would have been spared? Now, I coach pastors and business leaders in communications and self-care. My personal belief, not speaking on behalf of anyone else, my personal belief is that that structure is designed to fail, because elders cant elder in that structure. And we need to start on the work of reconciliation and repentance now. And you have two or three board members who go, I dont think so, they did nothing. And heres what we have to do as people leading churches, okay, you have to understand what the signs of grooming are so one of the things that I did that really helps me, my good friend, Boz Tchividjian, put out a book through his organization G.R.A.C.E. Posted by Jonathan Deatherage on Apr 02, 2019. So, you know, Julie, its really its death by 1000 cuts. Id like to share a few things as we navigate this loss together. Briscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. So, and youre the chairman of your board. He is with us today to talk about growing communication skills to improve preaching as well as how we can find deeper fulfillment in our work and lives. How do spot a safe pastorand can. And so when I looked at that in the context of James MacDonald going, you know what, thats the type of accountability that man needed and was denied. But theres something wrong in the whole business of Church. Funny, whenever I would watch Bill Hybels preach online or speak at the GLS, and he would go into that quavering voice, tears-in-his-eyes, emotional mode, Id stop listening. Thankyou in advance. Theres, theres an advocacy piece to lawyering that needs to be there a little bit, but it doesnt need to be pervasive. For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema. I was blown away. I was the senior pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship for nearly 30 years. Also, make sure you subscribe to The Roys Report on Apple podcasts or Google podcasts. And this is whats so difficult. Many organizations that have a board of directors consisting of yes men or yes women who are inclined to go along with the board chairman and/or are friends with them. Bent Tree family and friends of Bent Tree, we invite you to post here (or on social media) your comments of encouragement, gratitude, blessing, remembrance, and tribute to the many long years our brother Pete and sister Libby have poured out their lives for the building up of Christs church. What I saw happen at Willow is, the board as a unit was willing to dissemble in the amount necessary to preserve the organization. This person or these people were hurt as a result, you have a pride problem. What makes you stick with that model and believe it can still be used despite how badly that model has been abused? When you think about the economic reach of an organization that was that size within evangelicalism, my goodness, even Christianity Today was scared to run articles about it. Yeah, totally agree. And I was sitting in my office one day and Vonda picked up the phone and gave me a call and kind of told me what was coming down the pike in terms of the Chicago Tribune article that basically lit the fuse on that entire situation at Willow. I mean, its an accurate criticism of people within the church. I am thrilled to be here. That nonprofit corporation and its bank accounts, thats not what the biblical church is. I think these women would still like to know the answer to that. These are people that are in your country club. As I was working through the Willow Creek representation with these women, the thing that kept cropping up to me was the Milgram experiment. I think youre absolutely right about that. (etc. and so I almost feel like the elder boards are there to keep the honest person honest. You can choose from more than 60 majors and learn in a Christian environment known for its spiritual values, leadership opportunities, and strong financial aid. By the way, the best thing that was said in the recording is that if character isnt there, none of the regulations will matter, and if character is there, one doesnt need the regulations. Yes, in the course of representing these women, it became obvious that this was not what Ill call an echelon or tier leadership problem, just at Bill Hybels level. Why is it that nobody outside a very small group of women who had no power, really no position, why didnt others come to their rescue? At the same time, hes writing a book and writing articles for Christianity Today about marriage purity. What Ive told people is, If you are not ready to blow yourself or the organization up in five seconds flat, you need to find a different hobby.. Jill I think they can do it effectively. Maybe some of your listeners are familiar with that you can go on YouTube and and see what thats all about. Its really pride. He has been married to Jill for more than 59 years and has three children and 13 grandchildren. That has been documented and proven through therapy notes. Leave them alone. I can see the elders (more than half of which were women), and people in general saying, It was only a hug. Well, I tried other churches and its more of the same. They made a lot of friends. It was everything from Vonda Dyers situation of being asked to come up to Bills room and talk leadership and a forced kiss, you know, a grab around the waist. Briscoe Manipulative theatrics. Serving in the role of elder is a huge responsibility. So grateful for those who did and Scot McKnight who came out with a just a powerful, I remember when his blog hit and he said, Every elder has to resign. And within what, wasnt it a week, all of them resigned. But theres a sense that the Church of Jesus Christ Universal is represented all throughout not just the United States but the world. It involves a level of compartmentalization that is truly stunning. This is simply a place where I share the message of Gods unadulterated grace through my preaching sermons and bible teaching. Briscoe It was like trying to fit a battleship through a set of French doors. So Mitch has a very unique perspective. So, while I have strong feelings about this, as you can imagine being a lawyer, but at all points, legal advice has to be subservient to Scripture. I would love to see Chicago experience revival. Ive asked that question many times. WebPete Briscoe, Stuart and Jills youngest son, was a key contributor to the ministrys teaching team from 2003 to 2021. Literally thousands of people have come to know Jesus under Bill Hybels teaching and yet, he was morally bankrupt at the same time. And thankyou for all you do in the NAME of JESUS! And its like, now someone inside the tribe has said, Something is wrong here and it must be dealt with. And it took someone of Scot McKnights gravitas to be able to shift the discussion at Willow. I hope someday I can overcome this cynicism because I need Church as it should be. I followed the Harvest situation, which I think is its own it, you know, separate facts. I dont think that he caused the elder board to resign. Well Mitch, one of the things Ive never discussed is that we used to attend Willow Creek. And there was also a service at WC where the board interviewed him and was he was questioned about an affair. I was just following following lawyers advice. So its okay. So you caught them before that anything actually happened? May you and your family be richly bleSSed!!! Jill I was blown away. And in the few times Ive spoken with him, I found his insights to be profound. But at 22, I completely bought it. I know that the original elders of Harvest thought they could keep James accountable despite the knowledge that he had glaring character flaws from the beginning. I think there were a few major events. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. Today were talking with Pete Briscoe, who served as the senior pastor for nearly three decades at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, Texas, and now consults with and coaches pastors. Yes, I have be disillusioned many times by churches and some leaders. He currently leads a multi-faceted media ministry called Telling the Truth which he shares with his parents Stuart and Jill Briscoe. Your browser does not support JavaScript. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. Right. Below is a link to a PDF of the article World Magazine did on a sex abuse scandal involving VOM. We bought the routine and its shocking. I think its Pat Baranowskis story that ran in the New York Times that actually caused that. I attended Willow for seven years. After a failed attempt to travel alone in his truck out west, he came to church with us that very day. So Scot, its like the scene in The Avengers when Iron Man just kind of drops out of the sky. They have a responsibility to the larger church to speak. Subscribe Sign up for my daily email devotionals and to stay in touch! He is with us today to talk about growing communication skills to improve preaching as well as how we can find deeper fulfillment in our work and lives. But as you say its Gods grace that despite all that hes used these men to bless many, despite everything. And Willow lost the battle of PR on social media. Im so grateful now for that heritage. I encourage you to start praying again and trust God to open doors for you in godly and meaningful fellowship. Well, and I hope there are Christian leaders listening to this who take note because is the time of just being silent and thinking that because youre silent, nothing will come back on you, thats past. Lawyer for Bill Hybels Victims Shares Inside Story. And something else that you mentioned about the board, which I found fascinating was that the Willow Creek board had an awful lot of lawyers on it. I came out of Wheaton College, as I know a lot of kids do when youre in a Christian environment and maybe see some disillusioning things and I just, it was really a hard spiritual time for me. Can I talk about Scot McKnight for a second? And it turns out there were a lot more women who had been affected by Bill Hybels. Bill Hybels and Bill Clinton, you know, developed a friendship over the years that at least what Ive discovered in my research, there was an invitation for Clinton to come and speak at the Global Leadership Summit, and a confrontation with the elder board about that because Clinton was on the heels of an adultery scandal. And he came back and said, I cant do this anymore.. I mean, I cant tell you how many stories I heard just like the one that you told the people who said, Well, I was at a conference with Bill Hybels, and he was awful to me. It should be something that he learned from, right? You know, when you have somebody like Bryan Loritts, who when hes talking about why when he was at a former church, he didnt disclose to the church that they had a sexual predator among them for six months. Again, thanks so much for joining me today. This was something that was very deeply ingrained in their culture. Mike is a dear friend and Im sad this day has come. Theyre not holding anybody accountable then. So I want you to think about this while you know Bill Hybels is being accused of doing awful things by a dozen women. Youve youve created a fiction when you organize church, what is a church organization but a legal fiction, right? Through Petes teaching on Sundays and through various conversations with other staff members during the week, God shifted my perspective on what it means to live life in Christ one from my own efforts to please God to one of Christs efforts on my behalf to love me deeply, extravagantly, and permanently. And to do that, we must avoid falling into the trap of our Christian beliefs being pitted against culture in the public sphere of debate. Happened so often, I quit altogether. When you say the IT department, its my understanding you came into some information about emails getting destroyed. He now coaches Pete Briscoe | Brookfield WI. Then, I did what all good Christian college students did at that time I acquired a boot-leg copy of the drama and listened to it several times on my own. About Stuart and Jill Briscoe Oh Well, and I appreciate your service to the church. Hybels at one point had a major conflict with a woman who was serving on the elder board, who was trying to hold him accountable and essentially used a reconciliation process involving some other big names in evangelicalism to essentially run her off, put her under an NDA. Pete is the son of Jill and Stuart Briscoe. Not sad or contemplative, but agitated and very irritated. Now, God is leading our friend and leader Pete away from these walls, and we look on with sadness the sadness that comes when a season you love is passing. Okay. Also I want to let you know that Judson University is planning to resume in person classes this fall for traditional transfer and adult students and its still not too late to apply. The church is nondenominational and has woman pastors and elders. Let me give you some examples. But if you have a pastor with a glaring character flaw youre fooling yourself if you think youre gonna keep that character flaw in line with a pastor who doesnt put Jesus Christ first in his life, am I right? Interestingly enough, during the interview, he seemed extremely angry and resentful. Its all a Business and Power tool and stage for Virtue Signaling. One of those women is Vonda Dyer. That night we had a guest speaker come in for a special presentation. I had no idea what to expect as this lone man stood on the stage. It started as a simple tape duplication ministry in a home basement, using a reel-to-reel tape recorder linked to a dozen smaller recorders to duplicate the Briscoes' teaching. I dont think that theres anything at a mega church that innoculates it from being good. And when I came into the representation, that was a new term to me, Id never heard anything like it. But this certainly raises red flags. Gifted with wisdom, discernment, and a bit of English humor, the Briscoe's bring God's Word to life. I did live it. What is it that causes so many people who know better, to look the other way and allow evil to prosper? So when you have someone who is trusted, whos supposed to be an expert, you know, like a pastor, like a longtime senior pastor whos supposed to be a theological expert, and someone whos in authority like a senior pastor, people are willing to do things to satisfy that person that they would not otherwise do, even if those things seem harmful to another person. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. And Hybels said, essentially, Yeah, well, well do it that way. And Clinton showed up and then didnt comply with anything that the board had said. Vanilla orchids are actually pollinated by hand in most places. I think it took courage. They made a lot of friends a lot of money over the years selling books, promoting programs, platforming them at conferences, platforming them at the Global Leadership Summit. Because I often wonder what would have happened if he had come back and you know, not been well are not been really able to do his job but said, You know what, Ive got to do this. This is the you know, erither, I need the job, or, This ministry completes me. or whatever, whatever the excuse is. When the when the mans lying on the side of the road, naked and bleeding, theyre the priests who cross the street. ) So, Willows pride did not allow them to see any flaws in their leadership, especially their premier leader. People can do the job of preaching and leading a church for, you know, 40 plus weeks in the pulpit at a church of this size. Thats a bad default state. It was stunning to me. He was running and we were praying that he would surrender fully to God. WebHi friend, I'm Pete Briscoe. They didnt have the ability to respond to new issues as they arose. Julie, you may want to review this pointwasnt a problem? How do we deal with claims of sexual abuse? I know from hearing from men, that that Bill abused men emotionally, spiritually while they were working there. Later Telling the Truth began airing in several countries in southeast Asia and across 10 countries in southern Africa. He makes sure the good things stay in the church and the bad things go out. There are therapy notes to support her story. WebIt is with heavy hearts that the Elders of Bent Tree announce that Pete Briscoe has submitted his resignation as Senior Pastor. https://www.billionbibles.com/voice-of-the-martyrs.html. Its a serious analog for what happened at Willow. Id like to share a few things as we navigate this loss together. And I think that Bill Hybels created an advocacy structure around him by having that many lawyers on the board. In fact, back in the late 80s, early 90s, we went to Willow Creek and we had a wonderful experience. WebHi friend, I'm Pete Briscoe. Likewise. Nobody who is an elder at a church should have any aspect of their identity wrapped up in either the role of being an elder or in the success or failure of the organization. And its pervasive, and people are, theyre using it. I think ultimately, we are still kind of under the inertia of a culture that was fomented by Pete Briscoe, which was a culture of goodness, a culture of grace and its still carrying forward under that momentum. There was another case that also occurred where he committed oral sex with his assistant. A man who "dedicated his life to sharing Gods Word with the world" has died at the age of 91. Why did so many look the other way for so long? This is what manifests. And that needs to be an elder in the church really any size, you need to say, Look, I see what youre doing this is wrong. And when the person makes excuses or says, You know, this is a misunderstanding, I didnt mean to, you know, message that kid inappropriately online, or I didnt mean to Invite them to go do something by ourselves out of, you know, trying to do something bad. Yes, I would view it far differently today. Put a skin tag on it or a flesh tag. He represented two women involved in the sex abuse scandal involving Bill Hybels. Tell us what you learned through you know, bringing this person to light, confronting him and dealing with the entire situation that we can learn from as a church. Basically, theyre a rubber stamp. Yeah, that is super dangerous. This is a person who is pushing a boundary because they want to do something bad. You know, Willow creeks pastors family members benefit from the Penumbra of Willow Creek and its just sheer size within evangelicalism. In context, I think my meaning becomes clear as I say soon after, agreeing with Mitchs assessment that unanimity is bad: Absolutely horrible. Julie, thats whats so interesting about this story to me as I got deeper into it, I started to understand That, you know, when you go to the movies, and you see a story, you expect, okay, that guys the villain. I think the load needs to be shared. We were talking a little bit about the elder board. And my understanding was the elder board set some boundaries for Clinton to be able to come and speak. Absolutely. How are you? Well, and that is one aspect of the story that I wanted to explore together because I know that what happened at Willow from my understanding of speaking with Vonda and several victims is that it was far worse, the abuse there and far more pervasive than most people know, and thats one of the frustrations I know of a lot of the victims is that Willow hasnt publicly acknowledged that or publicly said how bad it was. But heres what happened when Scot criticized them publicly. WebHi friend, I'm Pete Briscoe. However, there should be a bubble level of character in Christ that we return to. There were some areas or some some critical times when things could have gone differently, but the elders caved in essence to Bill Hybels. So as we part ways, let us make the departure sweet. And so when you see behaviors that look like grooming, you know, John Calvin, Im not a Calvinist. WebPete Briscoe is a podcaster and evangelical pastor. If you go back through Willow Creeks archives, you can see all the, you know, the authors of books who came in and were platformed at Willow Creek. The small tape recording process drew the attention of many people who were eager for a copy of the teaching they heard at church to share with friends and neighbors. He currently leads a multi-faceted media ministry called Telling the Truth which he shares with his parents Stuart and Jill Briscoe. WebLearn More About Pete Today - Pete Briscoe God loves you to distraction, There is nothing you can do to make Him love them more or less, And, that Life with this Lover God is rich beyond description, regardless of your performance. Mike is a dear friend and Im sad this day has come. Then, I did what all good Christian college students did at that time I acquired a boot-leg copy of the drama and listened to it several times on my own. Im Julie Roys. Subscribe Sign up for my daily email devotionals and to stay in touch! The Journal Sentinel reported: Elmbrook resignations are the latest to rock evangelical Christian churches. Pete is the son of Jill and Stuart Briscoe. Then, I did what all good Christian college students did at that time I acquired a boot-leg copy of the drama and listened to it several times on my own. Hes a complex character. They were almost sacred and benevolent and unable to do wrong. Continue Reading The Upper Room: John 15 Posted by Nate Murray etc. The thing that is so terrifying is that someone who has been a senior pastor in an organization like that is not beyond it. This is Chicago Tribune. This is people who are dissillusioned, who wanted big jobs at Willow and didnt get them. But when Scot, the the intra tribal dissenter steps up and says, This is wrong, things shifted. To us, he was Stu, Dad and Poppa and we already miss him achingly." Like they didnt read a book, figuring out how to do it, but there are warning signs that people need to be aware of. And so I thought it was so funny that James MacDonald had his house in the name of an entity called Vanilla Bean LLC. And I think theres a kind of an old guard of megachurch pastors and leaders that think that theyre above accountability and theyre beginning to realize theyre not. How does our elder board navigate things differently with that Pastor? 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