[34][35] Tribalism is a significant characteristic of Arab population in Khuzestan.[36]. 15. And perhaps, just like the Aad before them, they forgot the faith of Tawheed practiced by their ancestors and slipped into worhsiping idols. He said, "My people, just think: if I did have clear proof from my Lord, and if He had given me mercy of His own, who could protect me from God if I disobeyed Him? Here is how their argument goes: The Quran describes prophet called Salih ( ), who lived in the Thamud tribe. But the buildings of the Aad are like Lego blocks compared to the Thamud. However, that does not solve the dilemma of who carved out the hills and mountains in Petra because the Edomites existed prior to the Nabateans, who according to the Christians were the ones who carved out the mountains and hills of Petra and Madian Saleh in 1st or 2nd century B.C. There is a place called Khyber at Pakistan/Afghanistan border but that is NOT the Khyber of Madina. If accurate, the Prophet Salih (s) would have lived many generations and perhaps centuries before Moses. Many centuries elapse before we find Thamud again in the textual record, though their name crops up many times in (undated) inscriptions throughout North Arabia. It is very conceivable that those individuals who established this society became the pillars of the nation and their descendents took advantage of that and maintained a stranglehold on the wealth of the nation. Hence, they had become very rich. In Umayya's account, there is no Salih. In the worst cases, they may even go so far as to challenge Allah. Id hate to be the one to rain on the holy Christian parade, but this inanity has to be responded to. Yusuf Ali. They are called "Skulls" because it is thought that the skull is the most important part of the body, and the majority of Arab tribes are descended from these major tribes.[37][38][39][40][41]. [23] The ninth-century Muslim scholar Ibn Sad believed that the Thamud were the Nabateans. The Nabataean kingdom existed from the 3rd or 2nd century BC, could it be that their punishment was a long one after a prophet was sent to them sometime before Prophet Isa AS? God then destroyed the tribe, except for Salih and a few other righteous men. (2/380-381), The inscriptions of al-Hijr are the remnants of the Nabateans. But we can conclude from the verses of the Quran that they lived sometime after the flood of Noah and before the time of Ibrahim (AS). And As-Saihah (torment - awful cry) overtook the wrong-doers, so they lay (dead), prostrate in their homes, As if they had never lived there. Witch of these sound more like what the verse is meaning, 5. Obadiah 1:3 The expedition of Tabuk does identify the dwellings and ruins of a destroyed nation of Thamud and this area is between Madeenah and Shaam/Syria. Thus, Nabataeans later reused the rocks and made them to graves. By not on the surface, I mean that they did not exist like a proper city or open to any passer by and were deep inside some unvisited territory. Eventually, they demanded proof for what Salih was saying. 11. As is the usual case, the Christians are, 1. Aad and Thamud are two of several communities described in the Quran as recipients of Gods chosen prophets and being utterly destroyed for rejecting them. And it is We who were the inheritors. The terror you inspire The ruins were identified by the Prophet (s) as belonging to those who wronged themselves, without ascribing them to the very first tribe of Thamud. We dont have remains of Ad, do we? We have to be open to the idea that a person living thousands of years ago will have a different concept of a place of dwelling than we, in the 21st century, do. Unfortunately, both nations rejected their prophets. The Thamud are mentioned in contemporary Mesopotamian, Classical, and Arabian sources, including in inscriptions in a temple erected in the 160s for the god lh, by the Thamud themselves. Accordingly, the Thamud were a powerful and idolatrous tribe living in Hegra, now called Madin li, the Cities of liin northwestern Arabia. . If the Bible tells us nothing more, at least it illustrates that carving out structures on mountains predated the Nabateans, and that is all we need to refute the Christian allegation against the Quran. Let me explain who they are People Aad, and they are said to be called Aad by the name of their father, an extinct Arab tribe mentioned in the Qur'an . He sent Prophet Hud (AS) to the Aad, and Prophet Salih (AS) to the Thamud. The tribes of 'Ad and Thamud were ancient people who existed on the Arabian Peninsula many centuries ago and were recipients of the Prophets Hud and Salih, respectively. Their responses were a reflection of this culture. [7][8] In a somewhat muddled passage, Pliny the Elder, a Roman historian of the first century CE, appears to locate the Thamd at the unidentified inland town of "Baclanaza". Before sending the punishment on them, Allah sent two prophets to these nations. And they used to carve from the mountains, houses, feeling secure. Here is how their argument goes: The Quran describes prophet called Salih ( ), who lived in the Thamud tribe. [ Qur'an and Suhih Sunnah - Islamic Knowledge ]. It is possible that the dwelling areas are no longer visible in the last 1400 years as these are just small rooms and tombs with no space inside. They were so proud of their accomplishments, that they built huge castles, palaces, and other structures as symbols of their power. Akkadians About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features Press Copyright Contact us Creators . Large numbers of Bani Rasheed are also found on the Arabian Peninsula. The fact that these structures are still around today, after nearly 4000 years is a testament to their quality and design. They were 6 meters tall! What do we intend to get out of the statement that they were more in number and strength in what they left behind. Trying to make sense of this mad, mad world, And We certainly sent into every nation a messenger, [saying], Worship Allah and avoid Taghut. And among them were those whom Allah guided, and among them were those upon whom error was [deservedly] decreed. The Quran mentions Aad as successor to the people of Noah (Q 7:69), and Thamud, as successor to Aad in turn (Q 7:74). Create a free website or blog at WordPress.com. My people, this camel belongs to God, a sign for you, so leave it to pasture on God's earth and do not harm it, or you will soon be punished." Similarly, much later, Thamud were wiped out and their remains were taken over by Midianites of which we see the pictures and they constructed over them as per their methods. 9. Yet how can we prove that there was a Prophet sent to them since Allah SWT does not punish a nation without sending one? In the Nabataean period, several impressive facades were carved into the hills outside al-Hijr, between the 1st century BC and 1st century AD. They are mentioned in the Quran as examples of civilizations that Allah had destroyed because of their sins and as signs of the fleeting nature of the worldly power. The title People of al-Hijr was, therefore, that of Nabateans who came much late in history and their period overlapped with Thamud-II, the remnants of Thamud-I, the subject of Quran.[5]. So away with Thamud! and the pride of your heart have deceived you, Qur'anic accounts of Salih always follow those of Hud. According to Dr. Nehme, a senior research scientist at the French National Center for Scientific Research, the Nabateans have left us with almost no written material that would shed any light on their origins or even daily affairs. And as for Thamud, We showed them the path of truth but they preferred blindness to guidance; so the Sa`iqah of disgracing torment seized them because of what they used to earn. [17] The Muslim governor of Egypt encouraged the migration of tribes from the Arabian Peninsula to Egypt to increase the Muslim population in the region and to strengthen his regime by enlisting warrior tribesmen to his forces, encouraging them to bring their families and entire clans. These things had huge doors, elaborate engravings, complex designs, and must have been an amazing sight in their time. So you could see the people therein fallen as if they were hollow trunks of palm trees. It is not a revealed book any more and hence, we are not bound to believe in a few thousand year old civilization our scriptures do not mention any such thing. There existed a nation called the Edomites. When they cut the hamstring of a female camel that God had sent down for them, despite the prophet's warnings, they were annihilated, except for Salih and his followers. The Quran mentions the Thamud as an example of an ancient polytheistic people who were destroyed by God for their sins. Furthermore, there is also proof that they had some elements of true Islam in their faith. 4 Though you soar like the eagle Do not enter the dwellings of those who wronged themselves unless you are weeping, lest you be afflicted with the likes of what afflicted them. Meaning ibn kathir thought these tombs were built by thamud as well but got it wrong, I agree also Im of the opion the hadith witch says dont enter the dwellings I think the prophet said dont enter the lands not houses because there are only 4 hadith witch mention that and 3 of them doesnt have the arabic word for dwelling there any way thats why dwelling is in brackets also the one hadith what does mention dwelling in arabic misken can mean land any way because it is used in the quran and there are some places it is translated as dwelling places not literally houses so Im of the opion the prophet was saying dont enter the land and even if it did mean houses it could be that there were a few bricks in the valley plain there and that is what he meant because if it was the same area then that is why some people think the prophet meant the nabateans buildings jazzakkallah also in verse 40:21 out of the 8 theorys I have put down witch one do you think is the right one what does atharan mean to you jazzakkallah because if it means remains then it just means there were just a bit of large bricks broken pillars there witch just shows they were better than the Arabs jazzakkallah what could be what the prophet meant dont enter the fallen down houses what ever left of there builds like a few large bricks and broken pillars, Also those 4 hadith dont mention thamud by name in just says the land of al hijr or the people of al hijr or region of al hijr but never thamud but yes I agree with the well but there are Wells all over the region of al hijr like al ula and such also al hijr might be anywhere with a rocky area like yemon or jordan also there is a place in oman called al hijr so could be anywhere like yemon also there is a place called thamud in yemon near where ad lived near hadramawt so you see what I mean could be there, Assalam alikum I was just wondering how do we explain 28:58 witch nation is it talking about and is it talking in past or present tense because this verse sounds like its talking about thamud those buildings witch were built by nabtions. The most striking thing about the Thamud was the huge buildings and structures they built into the sides of mountains. They became two parties quarreling with each other. And as for Aad, they were destroyed by a screaming violent windstorm which Allah imposed on them for seven days and eight nights straight. After the Arab conquest of Persia in the 7th century, many Arab tribes settled in different parts of Iran, notably Khurasan and Ahwaz, it is the Arab tribes of Khuzestan that have retained their identity in language and culture to the present day while other Arabs especially in Khurasan were slowly Persianised. But the inscriptions in Lihyanite script and some recently discovered archaeological vestiges are evidence for human settlementas early as the 3rd or 2nd century BCE. God knows best. Khurusani Arabs were mainly contingent from Nejdi tribes such as Banu Tamim. in general: W. Caskel, amharat an-Nasab, das genealogische Werk des Him Ibn Muammad al-Kalb, Leiden 1966. harvnb error: no target: CITEREFElling2013 (. But unlike most of the others, these two stand out for not having any clear counterpart in the Judeo-Christian tradition a wellspring of Middle Eastern traditions, of which Islam draws in so small measure. Re. Allah mentions how there were actually nine families that pretty much ran everything in this society. God sent down a milch camel as his sign, and Salih told his countrymen that they should not harm the camel and allow it to drink from their well. What else do you have in mind Most scholars interpret this as an earthquake. They were built not before the time of Musa ( ), but during the first century BC and the first century CE. I dont understand this question and how it is relevant to our topic at hand. But as a sign of their wickedness, they killed her. Like the people of Ad, they erected huge buildings on the plains and hewed beautiful homes out of the hills. Q.28:58 is general: And how many a city have We destroyed that was insolent in its [way of] living, and those are their dwellings which have not been inhabited after them except briefly. It was these nine families that cause much of the problems for Salih. Again the burden of proof is on us that this was the case. Point by Ismail about the order of the messengers from earliest to latest also is something to ponder over and maybe the people of the Hijr are different from the Thamud. Then bring us what you promise us if you are among the truthful.Chapter 7, Verse 70, It is all the same to us if you advise us are not from among the advisors. There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him! The Middle verse in chapter (25) of the Noble Quran talks about Noah's people, Ad (the people of the prophet Hud) and Thamud (the people of the prophet Salih). [78] Their Messengers came to them with Clear Signs. How do we explain 27:52 29:38 22:45 28:58 91:14, Assalam alie kum, it is a good attempt to answer the criticism of the of the people who have always found some crookedness to stand their point against Islam. So, basically during the time of the Prophet (), their remains were not on the surface and only some of them were visible. So Allah sent a camel with the simple command: Dont harm her. They were scientists and technicians and craftsmen, so they wanted conclusive proof. The second lesson is to watch out for the signs in our lives. [6], Thamd is also mentioned in Classical sources. There was a long period of royal authority and sedentary culture. Several other inscriptions bearing the namesAad and Iram have been discovered in Jordan. Thamd, in ancient Arabia, tribe or group of tribes known to be extant from the 8th century bce to the 5th century ce. Nothing but solid rock underlies the rest of the facades. I have yet to find a shred of evidence of a dead body that was placed in any of the recesses in the walls. I think its just like 43:47, 21:12, 32:26 and 37:73. And indeed we do, but with an unexpected twist! Four generations is only about eighty years and its unlikely, in my humble opinion, that they were able to establish a new socieity, invent a new religion, and forget all about their ancestors the Aad in such a short time. They felt that their habitations would, somehow, secure them from destruction. They mixed with the people of Qahtan and descendants of Prophet Abraham pbuh. This came to pass, and Thamud was annihilated. Answer (1 of 7): Yes They were called the people of Aad and they were ancient arabs. According to Arab tradition, the Adnanites are called Arabised because it is believed that Ishmael Spoke Aramaic and Egyptian then learnt Arabic from a Qahtanite Yemeni woman that he married. 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